As part of our continued #SSHRC research about preservice teachers and podcasts, Nina Pak Lui and I are speaking to our students about their experiences in teacher education. In the following episode, we present a conversation between Professor Nina Pak Lui and two of her students, Rebecca Tazumi and Maria Giesbrecht. Their conversation centers around understanding curriculum philosophies and ideologies. Also, they discuss how Understanding by Design (UbD) can help with curricular and pedagogical planning.